Posted by: 123clear | July 1, 2008

Neither-nor: Correlative Conjunctions

Over 30 years ago, I had a British boyfriend named Philip. He was sophisticated, well educated, and played classical music (beautifully) on his grand piano.

That alone would have been enough to blind me to his imperfections. But on top of all that greatness, his wife had died and he was raising their daughter Melanie on his own. In my eyes, he verged on sainthood, and I was in awe of him.

One day, Philip said something I have never forgotten:

Neither Melanie nor I watches much television.

Watches? Really? I would have put it this way:

Neither Melanie nor I watch much television.

Dead certain that Philip the Great couldn’t be wrong, I kept my preference for watch a secret, substituting alternatives such as these for neither-nor:

Melanie and I don’t watch much television.

I don’t watch much television; Melanie doesn’t, either.

I don’t watch much television and neither does Melanie.

And wouldn’t you know it? I was right all along! After all these years, I have finally learned that  according to the Chicago Manual of Style, compound subjects joined with either-or or neither-nor take the form of the verb that goes with the subject closest to the verb, in both number and person. Here are a few examples:

Neither Sarah nor Sam plans to attend the concert.

Either George or the twins are going to bring the sushi.

Neither Henry nor his sons have a Prius.

Neither the boys nor Henry has a Prius.

And (drumroll):

Neither Melanie nor I watch much television.

By the way, neither-nor is a pair of correlative conjunctions. Like other correlative conjunctions (as-as, if-then, either-or, both-and, where-there, so-as, and not only-but also), neither and nor used together “join successive clauses that depend on each other to form a complete thought.” (Chicago Manual of Style.)

Cheers,

Tara Treasurefield

Tara’s Writing Studio

Responses

Very cool, Tara. I likely will keep this post bookmarked and/or print several copies so that I, like you, will be correct!

I wonder why, though, Philip never wondered out loud about why “Neither Melanie nor I watches television” sounds horrible and should have been checked for correctness.

I know there are people who think we should have more to do, but being correct in both speech and writing is soooooo important to me that I won’t let certain things go. I’m very happy you didn’t let this one go (but I am glad that you let Philip go if the whole thing didn’t work for you both).

Thank you for your kind (and very funny!) response, Dina.

Cheers,
Tara

Hi Tara,

I just found your page as I was searching the www for the definitive answer to just this question. I’ve heard your explanation before (and for awhile taught it to my students), that it’s the subject closest to the verb that determines the correct conjugation. That’s how I was taught.

However, I’ve come across another explanation over the years, which is that if both subjects are singular, the verb will be singular, but if either of the two subjects are plural, the verb will be plural. Here’s another explanation of the same: http://hubpages.com/hub/Grammar_Mishaps__Neither-Nor_and_Either-Or

According to THAT rule, the Prius sentences above should both use the verb conjugation “have” because Henry’s sons are plural. What do you think? I can hardly find consensus about this on the web.

Now, I’m not sure that sheds much light on Philip’s sentence, in which both subjects are singular, but one is third-person and the other first-.

Anyway, thanks for a lovely page. It’s fun to read.

Ted

Thank you for your comment, Ted.

I went to
http://hubpages.com/hub/Grammar_Mishaps__Neither-Nor_and_Either-Or, as you
suggested. The explanation there certainly sounds reasonable to me. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

I’m not surprised that you can’t find consensus about this on the web, though. Apparently, this is just one of many raging battles about grammar
and usage, and the July 4 post to my blog, “Neither-nor and the Freedom of Choice,” offers yet another way to approach it.

As for Philip’s famous sentence, I’m afraid I still haven’t put that one to rest. But I’m drawing closer to the real issue and expect to resolve it soon.

Cheers,
Tara

Aha! I wish I’d read your July 4th post before I chipped in with my comments. For anyone else stumbling upon this page, make sure you do:
http://writingtips.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/neither-nor-and-the-freedom-of-choice/

I find the rules of grammar and their manipulation fascinating. If that makes me a nerd…so be it!

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